Discussion:
DR PERCY SEYMOUR ON ASTROLOGY
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Dr. Jai Maharaj
2004-10-26 22:17:35 UTC
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"Astrology can be explained by the tumultuous magnetic
activity of the sun, churned to a lather by the motion of
the planets, borne earthward on the solar wind, and
perceived by us via the earth's magnetic field while we
grow inside our mother's wombs."
- Dr. Percy Seymour

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
M. Ranjit Mathews
2004-10-27 11:30:34 UTC
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Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
"Astrology can be explained by the tumultuous magnetic
activity of the sun, churned to a lather by the motion of
the planets, borne earthward on the solar wind, and
perceived by us via the earth's magnetic field while we
grow inside our mother's wombs."
- Dr. Percy Seymour
The website below is that of the James Randi Foundation; he offers US# 1,000,000
to anyone who can demonstrate their claims of astrology,

http://www.randi.org/jr/052104uk.html#1
Dr. Jai Maharaj
2004-10-27 23:15:40 UTC
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Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
"Astrology can be explained by the tumultuous magnetic
activity of the sun, churned to a lather by the motion of
the planets, borne earthward on the solar wind, and
perceived by us via the earth's magnetic field while we
grow inside our mother's wombs."
- Dr. Percy Seymour
. . . James Randi Foundation; he offers US# 1,000,000
to anyone who can demonstrate their claims of astrology,
That the "offer" is fraudulent has been established years ago:

Forwarded message dated May 19, 1998:

[ Subject: Re: ACCEPTANCE OF RANDI'S $1 MIL HUSTLE
[ From: Pete Stapleton (***@c-zone.net)
[ Newsgroups: alt.jyotish,alt.fan.jai-maharaj, . . .
[ Date: May 19, 1998
Well, there are numerous "credentialed" scientists who
utilize astrology in their worl and lives; many are
astrologers themselves. This challenge hustle must
not be too well known, ot they would put the challenger
in deep debt. The following is news to me. I did not
know that this Randi had manipulates data.
Pete comments: during the late 1970's, George Abel,
head of the college of astronomy UCLA, George Bok,
same situation Arizona U - and Randy called
a press conference where there they all stood
on a stage at UCLA and said they were going to
prove the Mars effect study wrong. This Mars effect
showed the French astrologer had correctly proven
the existence of astrological influences in choice
of profession.

The widespread publicty was too much for Abel, bok
and of course randi - since in one way or another,
all made their living debunking astrology. So, the
study to prove the Mars effect discovered and proven
by the French Astrologer was entereed into with much
fan fare and publicity.

Then, after a resonalbe time had passed - there was
no announcement as to the results of the Abel, Bok
and randi study. And as the press became more insistent,
a result was finally announced which proved the study
showing the existence of the mars effect was wrong.
Much applause by all involved.

Except.

Right about that time - in Fate Magazine - an article
appeared which openly accused those involved in
the announcement the study had proven the mars effect
wrong were liars. They had doctored the data (as is
normal where tax trough grant money is involved) to
show the negative results they wanted. The authenticity
of the Fate Magazine article was attested to by the
fact the author was one of the researchers that worked
on the study to prove it wrong with Abel, Bok and randi.
The guy was there and witnessed the deceit. And what was
even more amazing - even though he was a bonifide present
day scientist - he has enough integrity to insist on the
truth.

Soon the out cry from the press became too much for Abel and
Bok - and they both publically apologized for thier lies and
deceit in saying the study by the french astrologer which
proved the existence of the astrological effects was wrong.
They admitted to doctoring the data.

TO THIS DAY, RANDI HAS NEVER APLOGIZED FOR HIS ROLE IN THAT
DISPICABLE CONSPIRACY. HENCE, ANYONE WHO WOULD TRUST RANDI
TO DO ANYTHING HE SAYS IS NAIVE. Which of course has to
be the truth about the gullible idiots who in any way pledged
one mil to randi. It is a cetainty he is not about to put
it at risk - hence all the fou fau details he puts in the
way of an honest and open contest. His challenge is based
upon randi's total control at all times - and he won't allow
the money (if it exists) to be place in the hands of a
neutral stakeholder - where the details of the contest
are worked out in a fair and equitable manner. Hence,
the one million challenge is just another gimmick by randi
to promote randi - the magician - birth day parties and
other events at a very low cost (in front).
Suspecting
word play on his part, I asked for the definitions of
the terms used in the so-called challenge. Personally,
I accept the meaning of "psychic" as "of the soul or mind"
as it occurs in the Oxford American Dictionary.
Jai Maharaj
Jyotishi, Vedic Astrologer
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
Pete comments: he won't allow a fair test of the psychic
reception. Note the Rhine experiments were not a test of
psychic reception - the were a test of what Rhine thought
psychic reception should be - and it's the same now - no
psychic I know functions in the way randi or any other
anti psychic cult leader expects it too - in fact, most
of them are saturn/neptunes - and their psychic abilities
don't work.
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
What definitions of "psychic", "supernatural", "paranormal" and
"ability" being used in this instance?
- Jai Maharaj, who has published Jyotish predictions
*>
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
Pete comments: Jai, I don't think it's relevant. Certainly astrology
is considered to be a "magical" belief by the credentialed community -
and randi was on the stage when Abel and Bok announced their attack on
the mars effect study by the frenchman. And todate he has never admitted
the study was rigged by using false data to prove the Frenchman wrong.
So what is relevant here is that randi has already cast doubt on his
integrity - Abel and Bok publically apoligized for their lies. Randi
has not. So who is going to trust this hustler with his "promise" to
pay? And the answer is only those who bring binoculars to submarine
races.
Note how I take the time to accept all the conditions of randis challenge
with the exception of any involvment with anyone other than randi - while
randi hustles about shying away for a fair and equitiable contest where
The Psychic Challenge
APPLICATION FOR STATUS OF CLAIMANT drawn up by
James Randi
This statement outlines the general rules covering my offer
concerning psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. Since claims
will vary greatly in character and scope, specific rules must be
formulated for each applicant. However, all applicants must agree to
the rules set forth here before any formal agreement is entered into.
An applicant will declare agreement by signing this form w
hereindicated before a notary public and returning the form to me. The
eventual test procedure must be agreed upon by both parties before
any testing procedures will take place. We do not act as judges. We
do not design the protocol independently of the claimant. All
applicants must identify themselves properly before any discussion
takes place. Due to the large amount of correspondence exchanged
on this subject, all correspondence must include a stamped,
self-addressed envelope or in the case of foreign letters, simply a
self- addressed envelope.
Pete stapleton comments: My name if Pete Stapleton and I'm
a professional Astrologer. I ACCEPT YOUR ONE MILLION DOLLAR
CHALLENGE.
I, James Randi, through the James Randi Educational
Foundation,
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
will
pay the sum of US$1,100,000 to any person or persons who demonstrate any
psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability of any
kind under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration
Pete Comments: I ACCEPT YOUR ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE. I WILL
PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC
CERTAINY. THE PROOF WILL BE CONTAINED WITHIN A SERIES OF COMMODITY
FUTURES AND STOCK INDEX PREDICTION POSTED RIGHT HERE ON ALT.ASTROLOGY
SO THAT ALL MAY SEE FOR THEMSELVES THE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF
ASTROLOGY TO A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY.
This offer, as of May 1, 1996, is managed and guaranteed by the
James Randi Educational Foundation (J.R.E.F.), Fort Lauderdale,
Florida.
Pete comments: now the smoke begins.
1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and the
applicant
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
and
Mr. Randi will agree upon, just what powers or abilities will be
demonstrated,
the limits of the proposed demonstration
(so far as time, location and other variables are concerned)
and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result.
This is the primary, basic, and most important of these rules.
Pete comments: I WILL PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF ASTROLOGICAL
INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY BY POSTING PREDICTIONS
OF COMMODITY FUTURES PRICE SWINGS AND MARKET INDEX PRICE
MOVEMENT. THE PROVING OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL
INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY TO START AS SOON AS
THE ONE MILLION IS PLACED WITH A NEUTRAL STAKE HOLDER (AN
OPEN ESCROW). THE PROOF PROSITIVE WILL BE BY THE APPLICATION
OF ACCEPTED STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO THE NUMBER OF CORRECT
PREDICTIONS TO A BEYOND CHANCE FIGURE.
2.Only an actual performance of the stated nature and scope
within the agreed-upon limits, will be accepted. Anecdotal
accounts of previous events are not accepted or considered.
We have no interest in theories or explanations of how the
claimed powers might work; do not provide us with such material.
Pete comments: good, all that will be provided are the predictions.
3.Claimant agrees that all data (such as photographic,
recorded,
written) of any sort gathered as a result of the testing may be used
freely
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
by
me in any way Mr. Randi may choose.
Pete comments: the sum total of the data will be the predicions
and the daily futures data available from CBOT, NYSE and other
commodity futures and market index providers. Or the Wall STreet
Journal market data base where it applies. Hence, there is no
non public data involved.
4.Tests will be designed in such a way that no "judging"
procedure is required. Results will be self-evident to any
observer, in accordance with the rules which will be agreed
upon by all parties in advance of any formal testing procedure
taking place. No part of the testing procedure may be
changed in any way without the express agreement of all
parties concerned.
Pete comments: the test will consist of a series of commodity
futures and stock market index price movement predictions. The
only test will be whether the prediction correctly stated the
future price movement of the specific commodity or market index.
THE PREDICTIONS WILL BE POSTED ON ALT.ASTROLOGY IN ADVANCE OF
THE PREDICTED EVENT - FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE FOR THEM SELVES
AS TO THE ACCURACY OF THE PREDICTIONS. AS SOON AS THERE ARE
ENOUGH CORRECT PREDICTIONS TO PROVE THE PREDICTIVE USE OF THE
ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES TO A POINT BEYOND CHANCE - THEN THE
ONE MILLION DOLLAR ESCROW OR THE STAKEHOLDER WILL RELEASE
THE MONEY ACCORDING TO THE INSTRUCTIONS PREVIOUSLY AGREED UPON.
5.The applicant may be asked and required to perform
informally before an appointed representative, if distance and
time dictate that need, for purposes of determining if the
applicant is likely to perform as promised.
Pete comments: ALL OF THE PREDICTIONS WILL BE POSTED ON THE
INTERNET - ALT.ASTROLOGY, SCI.SKEPTIC AND ANY OTHER USENET
REQUESTED. THERE IS NOT NEED FOR ANYONE TO TRAVEL OR TO
BE PRESENT. THE PREDICTIONS, PROOF OF THE PREDICTIONS,
PLUS THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WILL BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET
FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE.
6.All expenses such as transportation, accommodation and/or
other
costs incurred by the applicant/claimant in pursuing the
reward, are the sole responsibility of the applicant/claimant.
Pete comments: AND THIS IS WHY THE MONEY MUST BE PLACED WITH A
NEUTRAL STAKEHOLDER OR AN OPEN ESCROW FOR THIS TO BE A VALID
ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE AND NOT JUST A BUNCH OF SMOKE.
NO ONE IS GOING TO SPEND SIX MONTHS OF HARD WORK TO PROVING
THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC
CERTAINTY UNLESS THE MONEY IS CERTAIN TO BE PAID.
TO SAY THE ONE MILLION IS AVAILABLE OR IN TREASURY BONDS OR
WHATEVER IS JUST SMOKE. IT IS STILL UNDER THE DOMINION
AND CONTROL OF AN ADMITTED MAGICIAN. A PERSON WHO ADMITS
HIS LIVING DEPENDS UPON TRICKING THE PUBLIC.
HOWEVER, AN OPEN ESCROW NOT ONLY PROVES THE EXISTENCE OF
THE ONE MILLION - BUT ALSO THAT THE AGREED UPON CONDITIONS
OF THE CONTEST WILL BE HONORED SINCE NEITHER PARTY HAS
DOMINION AND CONTROL OF THE STAKE (ONE MILLION).
AND ANYONE WHO SUGGESTS I SHOULD TAKE RANDI'S WORD THE MONEY WILL
BE PAID AS AGREED WITHOUT AN ESCROW LIVES IN LA-LA-LAND AND
HAS SAILBOAT FUEL FOR BRAINS.
7.When entering into this challenge, applicant surrenders
any
and
all rights to legal action against Mr. Randi, and against the
James Randi Educational Foundation, as far as this may be
done by established statutes. This applies to injury, accident
or any other damage of a physical or emotional nature and/or
financial, or professional, loss of any kind. However, this rule
in no way affects the awarding of the prize.
Pete commments: WITH AN OPEN ESCROW THAT WILL PAY THE ONE
MILLION AS AGREED. THEN THERE IS NOTHING TO FIGHT ABOUT IF
THE MONEY IS ACTUALLY PLACED WITH A NEUTRAL STAKEHOLDER.
AND ONCE THAT IS ESTABLISHED, AND THE MONEY IS PAID TO ME
AS AGREED IN THE ESCROW - THEN THERE IN NO NEED TO SUE.
8.Prior to the commencement of the formal testing
procedure,
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
Mr.
Randi will give his check for his personal share of the full reward amount
(US$10,000) into the keeping of an
independent person agreed to by the claimant. In the event
that the claimant is successful under the agreed terms and
conditions, that personal pledge check of James Randi for
US$10,000 shall be immediately surrendered to the claimant
by the person holding that check, and within thirty (30) days
the James Randi Educational Foundation will pay to the
claimant the remainder of the reward ($1,100,000 as of
September 11th, 1997). JREF will then set about notifying all
the pledgers to forfeit the respective amounts they h ave
promised, to reimburse the Foundation. This offer, with the
exception of Mr. Randi's portion, will continue until the year
2001 P.E.
Pete comments: this is smoke for the ignorant. If the check was
any good, then why not place it in the escrow - if it isn't any
good - then by make this kind of publicity hound offer? Just more
smoke from rapid randi.
10.This offer is made by James Randi through the JREF, and
not
on
behalf of any other person, agency or organization, though
others may become involved in the examination of claims,
others may add their reward money to the total in certain
circumstances, and the implementation and management of
the challenge will be carried out by James Randi via the James
Randi Educational Foundation. JREF will not entertain any
demand that the prize money be deposited in escrow,
displayed in cash, or otherwise produced in advance of the
test being performed. JREF will not cater to such vanities.
Pete comments: AND HERE IS THE KICKER - THERE WILL BE NO
ESCROW BECAUSE SUCH A REQUEST IS THE RESULT OF "VANITY."
THEN OF COURSE RANDI WILL PAY ME $10,000 PER MONTH WHILE
I PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES BEYOND
A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY WHILE ANSWERING HIS CHALLENGE. OTHERWISE
HIS "VANITY" IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO WAFFLE OUT OF HIS WIDELY
PUBLIZED OFFER OF ONE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF SMOKE. BS OF
THE FIRST DEGREE.
12.EVERY APPLICANT MUST AGREE UPON WHAT
WILL CONSTITUTE A CONCLUSION THAT, ON THE
OCCASION OF THE TEST, HE OR SHE DID OR DID
NOT DEMONSTRATE THE CLAIMED ABILITY OR
POWER.
PETE COMMENTS: SINCE THE ENTIRE TEST WILL TAKE PLACE
ON THE INTERNET -(PREDICTIONS BEING POSTED AND RESULTS
SHOWN) THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE GOOD OR
BAD RESULTS - THEY WILL BE OBVIOUS TO ALL CONCERNED.
Please accompany this notarized form with a brief 2 paragraph
description of what will constitute the demonstration.
PETE COMMENTS: NO NEED, IT IS ALL EXPLAINED ABOVE - DETAILS
WILL BE WORKED OUT ON THE PUBLIC INTERNET AND MY LAWYER WILL
BE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE OPENED ESCROW CONCERN TO
MEMORALIZE THE EXACT DETAILS. THE FINAL ESCROW AGREEMENT
WILL BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE AS
TO THE FAIRNESS OF THE DETAILS OF THE CONTEST.
NOTE: No special rules, exceptions, conditions, standards, or
favors
will be accepted, without mutual agreement of those
concerned in advance and any applicant who refuses to agree to
meet the rules as outlined here, will not be considered to have ever
been a claimant. Only complete agreement with these rules will
constitute the applicant being considered a "claimant." Applicant, by
signing, notarizing and returning this form, signifies agreement with all
of
the
above rules.
(signed) James Randi
Pete comments: WHICH MEANS randi WILL NEVER AGREE TO AN OPEN
AND HONEST CONTEST. HE ISN'T ABOUT TO PUT THE ONE MILLION
(IF IT EXISTS) AT RICK IN AN OPEN AND HONEST CONTEST.
AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT AS A PREDICTION FROM PETE STAPLETON - THE
PROFESSIONAL ASTROLOGER THAT ACCEPTS randi's ONE MILLION DOLLAR
CHALLENGE AS SHOWN ABOVE. THE PREDCITION AGAIN - RANDI WILL
NEVER ACCEPT AND HONEST TEST OF HIS ONE MILLION DOLLAR HUSTLE.
Regards, Pete
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End of forwarded message

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
Dr. Jai Maharaj
2004-10-28 01:26:27 UTC
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[
[ Subject: RANDI JAMES EXPOSED AS FRAUD
[ From: Randi James is a FRAUD <***@randi.org>
[ Message-ID: <***@randi.org>
[ X-ELN-Date: Fri Oct 9 10:59:03 1998
[ Reply-To: ***@randi.org
[ Newsgroups: alt.astrology
[ Date: October 9, 1998
[
[ HE HE HE
[
[ I was sent a copy of the newest JP article which EXPOSES Randi James as
[ a FRAUD
[
[ Seems Randi James refuses to set scientific parameters to judge Sollog
[ the every so humble mystic on quake prediction
[
[ Come on Randi state publicly what will be considered a quake prediction
[ HIT so Sollog can take your money.
[
[ From email I received
[
[ James Randi
[ Fake - Phony - Fraud
[
[ On a recent special titled Power of Belief, John Stossel from ABC
[ tempted fate and asked a voodoo doctor to cast a spell to harm him.
[ Sollog says Stossel will now die from a mysterious bizarre death in a
[ short time. It's not nice to fool with the DARK SIDE.
[
[ Stossel had an old pompous charlatan on his show, a two-bit magician who
[ goes by the handle The Amazing Randi. Now Randi is a scumbag atheist who
[ says there is no Supernatural (i.e. GOD) or paranormal ability that
[ anyone can display or prove. He says he has a One Million-Dollar
[ Challenge.
[
[ Now, we all know Sollog has been posting remarkable PROPHECIES in the
[ past few years in published articles, in US court records and on his Web
[ Site. His fans have posted his Prophecies from his Site in Usenet. He
[ has hit many Prophecies and has displayed paranormal or supernatural
[ abilities in fore telling the future. You can check court records or
[ archives of www.dejanews.com to see this is a FACT.
[
[ So, Randi was sent an email stating setup the parameters to judge
[ Sollog's claim of Quake Prediction. It would be to see if Sollog can
[ predict quakes. What is a parameter to judge a quake?
[
[ It's a set of scientifically prestated requirements in order to judge
[ exactly what is an accurate quake prediction. For instance, on our Site
[ we state we will pay anyone $1,000.00 if they can accurately predict
[ where and when a quake over 6.6 will strike and be more accurate than a
[ Sollog quake prediction that hit earlier this year. A prediction that
[ was recorded in a Usenet group about quakes BEFORE THE EVENT occurred.
[ Sollog's direct hit was within 4 days of the date that he gave and
[ within 100 miles of where he said.
[
[ Is that a big deal?
[
[ Well, a 6.6 quake may only occur 8 to 23 times a year. It's a rare
[ seismic event.
[
[ A seismo professor estimated the Sollog hit at about 10,000 to 1, that a
[ quake that large would strike that close and within that time frame as
[ Sollog predicted publicly.
[
[ So Randi was given the opportunity to set up the parameters to judge a
[ quake prediction by Sollog.
[
[ All Randi did was insult our request. His own challenge states, the two
[ parties must AGREE to Scientific PARAMETERS to judge a claim like
[ Sollog.
[
[ Randi's reply was state, magnitude, date and location.
[
[ Since Randi is a con artist who has no intention of paying anyone One
[ Million Dollars (that's my opinion so fuk u too Randi), it is necessary
[ to clearly define what is required of Sollog in regards to what is
[ magnitude, date and location.
[
[ For instance, Sollog could say in 1999 a quake over 5.0 will strike
[ China. Well, it will occur. So does that make it a hit? Like Clinton
[ says "what is the definition of is?"
[
[ Since Randi is a slippery con artist that mocks people's faith by saying
[ no such thing as what Sollog has done is possible, and then claims he's
[ been granted all kinds of BS awards for exposing paranormal fakers with
[ scientific parameters, it should have been easy for the asshole Randi to
[ set up acceptable SCIENTIFIC PARAMETERS.
[
[ Magnitude, date and location is not a scientific test or example of
[ scientific parameters.
[
[ What is a location?
[
[ In our contest we state a degree location must be given, since the USGA
[ (the official agency that tracks where quakes occur) records quakes by
[ degree measurements. Now a city like Los Angeles covers many miles and
[ many degrees in location. So if Sollog said Los Angeles as a location,
[ would Randi have excepted it? We don't in our contest. Since we need a
[ degree location to then MEASURE how far off anyone is that claims to be
[ able to predict quakes better than Sollog.
[
[ We consider anyone that gets a prediction for a quake over 6.6, closer
[ than 4 days and closer than 100 miles to be more accurate than the
[ Sollog hit we judge by. If you think you can do this, we have $1,000
[ that says you can't.
[
[ So, the scumbag Randi states he wants scientific parameters set up to
[ judge a claim in his Challenge, and then REFUSES to set up such
[ parameters to judge Sollog. That's why I say he's a scumbag and con
[ artist.
[
[ What a dumb ass Randi is, he asks for someone to prove paranormal
[ abilities and the most famous modern mystic today says sure. But, what
[ is a hit in the contest?
[
[ If Sollog says a quake over 3.0 will strike on almost any given day near
[ Mammoth Lake, is that a hit?
[
[ BTW, such a quake occurs almost every day there.
[
[ So, you can see how date, location and magnitude isn't a scientific
[ parameter as the asshole Randi gave.
[
[ Is June 1999 a date? Yes it is. But is this an acceptable scientific
[ date to Randi.
[
[ Is June 19th 1999 a date? Yes it is. But since the USGA records quakes
[ in Greenwich time, a quake hitting an area on June 19th could be
[ recorded as a different date than when it actually struck local time,
[ since the USGA uses Greenwich time. That is why a window of time was
[ asked for. Say 3 or 4 days, since man doesn't have a universal way to
[ record such an event.
[
[ If Sollog says over 6.6 and a quake hits that is 7.0 where he says, then
[ a scumbag like Randi can say over 6.6 isn't a magnitude.
[
[ You need to be careful when dealing with con artists like Randi who
[ publicly states he will set up scientific parameters to judge someone
[ like Sollog, and then refuses to do any such thing. That's why I say
[ he's a con artist!
[
[ If Randi sets up scientific parameters to judge what is a hit or miss as
[ his Million Dollar challenge states he will to judge a quake prediction,
[ Sollog has said HE WILL POST A PUBLIC QUAKE PREDICTION for Randi to
[ judge. He also says he will win the ONE MILLION PRIZE, but Randi can't
[ pay.
[
[ Now Randi, since you want proof someone can predict a quake which
[ science can't do, you have to clearly state as we have, what is a hit by
[ setting up acceptable parameters.
[
[ Do you accept over 6.6 as a magnitude, and if a quake over 6.6 strikes
[ when Sollog says IS THAT A HIT?
[
[ Do you accept a degree location as a location and accept 100 miles in
[ variance as an acceptable amount of distance to judge a successful hit?
[ (Since the USGA can't accurately judge the true center or location of
[ deep quakes such a variance is needed. Seems the way a deep quakes shock
[ waves reach the surface by going through different types of rock can
[ deflect surface motion on the earth's crust, and such USGA official
[ locations can then be many miles off.)
[
[ Do you accept a 4-day window in a date, so if Sollog say June 19th and
[ the quake strikes within 4 days of such a date that Sollog gives, IS
[ THAT A HIT?
[
[ Remember that Randi is a FAKE, FRAUD and PHONY. So you need to clearly
[ set up scientific parameters when dealing with him. These arbitrary
[ parameters are how WE JUDGE anyone's claims to be more accurate than
[ Sollog in quake prediction. Many have sent predictions for quakes and NO
[ ONE BUT SOLLOG is even close.
[
[ Is Sollog's ability to be so accurate in quake prediction proof of
[ paranormal ability?
[
[ YES IT IS.
[
[ Why does Randi refuse to state scientific parameters as he says he
[ requires in his challenge?
[
[ Because he knows Sollog can hit a quake prediction and the slick con
[ artist Randi has no interest in judging anyone with true psychic or
[ supernatural abilities.
[
[ YOU SUCK RANDI
[
[ Sollog Rules
[
[ JP Essene
[ Editor
[ http://www.theeunderground.net
[
[ Sollog's site
[
[ http://www.sollog.com
[
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Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
"Astrology can be explained by the tumultuous magnetic
activity of the sun, churned to a lather by the motion of
the planets, borne earthward on the solar wind, and
perceived by us via the earth's magnetic field while we
grow inside our mother's wombs."
- Dr. Percy Seymour
. . . James Randi Foundation; he offers US# 1,000,000
to anyone who can demonstrate their claims of astrology,
[ Subject: Re: ACCEPTANCE OF RANDI'S $1 MIL HUSTLE
[ Newsgroups: alt.jyotish,alt.fan.jai-maharaj, . . .
[ Date: May 19, 1998
Well, there are numerous "credentialed" scientists who
utilize astrology in their worl and lives; many are
astrologers themselves. This challenge hustle must
not be too well known, ot they would put the challenger
in deep debt. The following is news to me. I did not
know that this Randi had manipulates data.
Pete comments: during the late 1970's, George Abel,
head of the college of astronomy UCLA, George Bok,
same situation Arizona U - and Randy called
a press conference where there they all stood
on a stage at UCLA and said they were going to
prove the Mars effect study wrong. This Mars effect
showed the French astrologer had correctly proven
the existence of astrological influences in choice
of profession.
The widespread publicty was too much for Abel, bok
and of course randi - since in one way or another,
all made their living debunking astrology. So, the
study to prove the Mars effect discovered and proven
by the French Astrologer was entereed into with much
fan fare and publicity.
Then, after a resonalbe time had passed - there was
no announcement as to the results of the Abel, Bok
and randi study. And as the press became more insistent,
a result was finally announced which proved the study
showing the existence of the mars effect was wrong.
Much applause by all involved.
Except.
Right about that time - in Fate Magazine - an article
appeared which openly accused those involved in
the announcement the study had proven the mars effect
wrong were liars. They had doctored the data (as is
normal where tax trough grant money is involved) to
show the negative results they wanted. The authenticity
of the Fate Magazine article was attested to by the
fact the author was one of the researchers that worked
on the study to prove it wrong with Abel, Bok and randi.
The guy was there and witnessed the deceit. And what was
even more amazing - even though he was a bonifide present
day scientist - he has enough integrity to insist on the
truth.
Soon the out cry from the press became too much for Abel and
Bok - and they both publically apologized for thier lies and
deceit in saying the study by the french astrologer which
proved the existence of the astrological effects was wrong.
They admitted to doctoring the data.
TO THIS DAY, RANDI HAS NEVER APLOGIZED FOR HIS ROLE IN THAT
DISPICABLE CONSPIRACY. HENCE, ANYONE WHO WOULD TRUST RANDI
TO DO ANYTHING HE SAYS IS NAIVE. Which of course has to
be the truth about the gullible idiots who in any way pledged
one mil to randi. It is a cetainty he is not about to put
it at risk - hence all the fou fau details he puts in the
way of an honest and open contest. His challenge is based
upon randi's total control at all times - and he won't allow
the money (if it exists) to be place in the hands of a
neutral stakeholder - where the details of the contest
are worked out in a fair and equitable manner. Hence,
the one million challenge is just another gimmick by randi
to promote randi - the magician - birth day parties and
other events at a very low cost (in front).
Suspecting
word play on his part, I asked for the definitions of
the terms used in the so-called challenge. Personally,
I accept the meaning of "psychic" as "of the soul or mind"
as it occurs in the Oxford American Dictionary.
Jai Maharaj
Jyotishi, Vedic Astrologer
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
Pete comments: he won't allow a fair test of the psychic
reception. Note the Rhine experiments were not a test of
psychic reception - the were a test of what Rhine thought
psychic reception should be - and it's the same now - no
psychic I know functions in the way randi or any other
anti psychic cult leader expects it too - in fact, most
of them are saturn/neptunes - and their psychic abilities
don't work.
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
What definitions of "psychic", "supernatural", "paranormal" and
"ability" being used in this instance?
- Jai Maharaj, who has published Jyotish predictions
*>
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Pete comments: Jai, I don't think it's relevant. Certainly astrology
is considered to be a "magical" belief by the credentialed community -
and randi was on the stage when Abel and Bok announced their attack on
the mars effect study by the frenchman. And todate he has never admitted
the study was rigged by using false data to prove the Frenchman wrong.
So what is relevant here is that randi has already cast doubt on his
integrity - Abel and Bok publically apoligized for their lies. Randi
has not. So who is going to trust this hustler with his "promise" to
pay? And the answer is only those who bring binoculars to submarine
races.
Note how I take the time to accept all the conditions of randis challenge
with the exception of any involvment with anyone other than randi - while
randi hustles about shying away for a fair and equitiable contest where
The Psychic Challenge
APPLICATION FOR STATUS OF CLAIMANT drawn up by
James Randi
This statement outlines the general rules covering my offer
concerning psychic, supernatural or paranormal claims. Since claims
will vary greatly in character and scope, specific rules must be
formulated for each applicant. However, all applicants must agree to
the rules set forth here before any formal agreement is entered into.
An applicant will declare agreement by signing this form w
hereindicated before a notary public and returning the form to me. The
eventual test procedure must be agreed upon by both parties before
any testing procedures will take place. We do not act as judges. We
do not design the protocol independently of the claimant. All
applicants must identify themselves properly before any discussion
takes place. Due to the large amount of correspondence exchanged
on this subject, all correspondence must include a stamped,
self-addressed envelope or in the case of foreign letters, simply a
self- addressed envelope.
Pete stapleton comments: My name if Pete Stapleton and I'm
a professional Astrologer. I ACCEPT YOUR ONE MILLION DOLLAR
CHALLENGE.
I, James Randi, through the James Randi Educational
Foundation,
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
will
pay the sum of US$1,100,000 to any person or persons who demonstrate any
psychic, supernatural or paranormal ability of any
kind under satisfactory observing conditions. Such demonstration
Pete Comments: I ACCEPT YOUR ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE. I WILL
PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC
CERTAINY. THE PROOF WILL BE CONTAINED WITHIN A SERIES OF COMMODITY
FUTURES AND STOCK INDEX PREDICTION POSTED RIGHT HERE ON ALT.ASTROLOGY
SO THAT ALL MAY SEE FOR THEMSELVES THE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF
ASTROLOGY TO A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY.
This offer, as of May 1, 1996, is managed and guaranteed by the
James Randi Educational Foundation (J.R.E.F.), Fort Lauderdale,
Florida.
Pete comments: now the smoke begins.
1.Applicant must state clearly in advance, and the
applicant
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
and
Mr. Randi will agree upon, just what powers or abilities will be
demonstrated,
the limits of the proposed demonstration
(so far as time, location and other variables are concerned)
and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result.
This is the primary, basic, and most important of these rules.
Pete comments: I WILL PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF ASTROLOGICAL
INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY BY POSTING PREDICTIONS
OF COMMODITY FUTURES PRICE SWINGS AND MARKET INDEX PRICE
MOVEMENT. THE PROVING OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL
INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY TO START AS SOON AS
THE ONE MILLION IS PLACED WITH A NEUTRAL STAKE HOLDER (AN
OPEN ESCROW). THE PROOF PROSITIVE WILL BE BY THE APPLICATION
OF ACCEPTED STATISTICAL ANALYSIS TO THE NUMBER OF CORRECT
PREDICTIONS TO A BEYOND CHANCE FIGURE.
2.Only an actual performance of the stated nature and
scope
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
within the agreed-upon limits, will be accepted. Anecdotal
accounts of previous events are not accepted or considered.
We have no interest in theories or explanations of how the
claimed powers might work; do not provide us with such
material.
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
Pete comments: good, all that will be provided are the predictions.
3.Claimant agrees that all data (such as photographic,
recorded,
written) of any sort gathered as a result of the testing may be used
freely
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
by
me in any way Mr. Randi may choose.
Pete comments: the sum total of the data will be the predicions
and the daily futures data available from CBOT, NYSE and other
commodity futures and market index providers. Or the Wall STreet
Journal market data base where it applies. Hence, there is no
non public data involved.
4.Tests will be designed in such a way that no "judging"
procedure is required. Results will be self-evident to any
observer, in accordance with the rules which will be agreed
upon by all parties in advance of any formal testing procedure
taking place. No part of the testing procedure may be
changed in any way without the express agreement of all
parties concerned.
Pete comments: the test will consist of a series of commodity
futures and stock market index price movement predictions. The
only test will be whether the prediction correctly stated the
future price movement of the specific commodity or market index.
THE PREDICTIONS WILL BE POSTED ON ALT.ASTROLOGY IN ADVANCE OF
THE PREDICTED EVENT - FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE FOR THEM SELVES
AS TO THE ACCURACY OF THE PREDICTIONS. AS SOON AS THERE ARE
ENOUGH CORRECT PREDICTIONS TO PROVE THE PREDICTIVE USE OF THE
ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES TO A POINT BEYOND CHANCE - THEN THE
ONE MILLION DOLLAR ESCROW OR THE STAKEHOLDER WILL RELEASE
THE MONEY ACCORDING TO THE INSTRUCTIONS PREVIOUSLY AGREED UPON.
5.The applicant may be asked and required to perform
informally before an appointed representative, if distance and
time dictate that need, for purposes of determining if the
applicant is likely to perform as promised.
Pete comments: ALL OF THE PREDICTIONS WILL BE POSTED ON THE
INTERNET - ALT.ASTROLOGY, SCI.SKEPTIC AND ANY OTHER USENET
REQUESTED. THERE IS NOT NEED FOR ANYONE TO TRAVEL OR TO
BE PRESENT. THE PREDICTIONS, PROOF OF THE PREDICTIONS,
PLUS THE STATISTICAL ANALYSIS WILL BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET
FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE.
6.All expenses such as transportation, accommodation
and/or
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other
costs incurred by the applicant/claimant in pursuing the
reward, are the sole responsibility of the applicant/claimant.
Pete comments: AND THIS IS WHY THE MONEY MUST BE PLACED WITH A
NEUTRAL STAKEHOLDER OR AN OPEN ESCROW FOR THIS TO BE A VALID
ONE MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE AND NOT JUST A BUNCH OF SMOKE.
NO ONE IS GOING TO SPEND SIX MONTHS OF HARD WORK TO PROVING
THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES TO A SCIENTIFIC
CERTAINTY UNLESS THE MONEY IS CERTAIN TO BE PAID.
TO SAY THE ONE MILLION IS AVAILABLE OR IN TREASURY BONDS OR
WHATEVER IS JUST SMOKE. IT IS STILL UNDER THE DOMINION
AND CONTROL OF AN ADMITTED MAGICIAN. A PERSON WHO ADMITS
HIS LIVING DEPENDS UPON TRICKING THE PUBLIC.
HOWEVER, AN OPEN ESCROW NOT ONLY PROVES THE EXISTENCE OF
THE ONE MILLION - BUT ALSO THAT THE AGREED UPON CONDITIONS
OF THE CONTEST WILL BE HONORED SINCE NEITHER PARTY HAS
DOMINION AND CONTROL OF THE STAKE (ONE MILLION).
AND ANYONE WHO SUGGESTS I SHOULD TAKE RANDI'S WORD THE MONEY WILL
BE PAID AS AGREED WITHOUT AN ESCROW LIVES IN LA-LA-LAND AND
HAS SAILBOAT FUEL FOR BRAINS.
7.When entering into this challenge, applicant surrenders
any
and
all rights to legal action against Mr. Randi, and against the
James Randi Educational Foundation, as far as this may be
done by established statutes. This applies to injury, accident
or any other damage of a physical or emotional nature and/or
financial, or professional, loss of any kind. However, this rule
in no way affects the awarding of the prize.
Pete commments: WITH AN OPEN ESCROW THAT WILL PAY THE ONE
MILLION AS AGREED. THEN THERE IS NOTHING TO FIGHT ABOUT IF
THE MONEY IS ACTUALLY PLACED WITH A NEUTRAL STAKEHOLDER.
AND ONCE THAT IS ESTABLISHED, AND THE MONEY IS PAID TO ME
AS AGREED IN THE ESCROW - THEN THERE IN NO NEED TO SUE.
8.Prior to the commencement of the formal testing
procedure,
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
Mr.
Randi will give his check for his personal share of the full reward
amount
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
(US$10,000) into the keeping of an
independent person agreed to by the claimant. In the event
that the claimant is successful under the agreed terms and
conditions, that personal pledge check of James Randi for
US$10,000 shall be immediately surrendered to the claimant
by the person holding that check, and within thirty (30) days
the James Randi Educational Foundation will pay to the
claimant the remainder of the reward ($1,100,000 as of
September 11th, 1997). JREF will then set about notifying all
the pledgers to forfeit the respective amounts they h ave
promised, to reimburse the Foundation. This offer, with the
exception of Mr. Randi's portion, will continue until the year
2001 P.E.
Pete comments: this is smoke for the ignorant. If the check was
any good, then why not place it in the escrow - if it isn't any
good - then by make this kind of publicity hound offer? Just more
smoke from rapid randi.
10.This offer is made by James Randi through the JREF, and
not
on
behalf of any other person, agency or organization, though
others may become involved in the examination of claims,
others may add their reward money to the total in certain
circumstances, and the implementation and management of
the challenge will be carried out by James Randi via the James
Randi Educational Foundation. JREF will not entertain any
demand that the prize money be deposited in escrow,
displayed in cash, or otherwise produced in advance of the
test being performed. JREF will not cater to such vanities.
Pete comments: AND HERE IS THE KICKER - THERE WILL BE NO
ESCROW BECAUSE SUCH A REQUEST IS THE RESULT OF "VANITY."
THEN OF COURSE RANDI WILL PAY ME $10,000 PER MONTH WHILE
I PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF THE ASTROLOGICAL INFLUENCES BEYOND
A SCIENTIFIC CERTAINTY WHILE ANSWERING HIS CHALLENGE. OTHERWISE
HIS "VANITY" IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO WAFFLE OUT OF HIS WIDELY
PUBLIZED OFFER OF ONE MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF SMOKE. BS OF
THE FIRST DEGREE.
12.EVERY APPLICANT MUST AGREE UPON WHAT
WILL CONSTITUTE A CONCLUSION THAT, ON THE
OCCASION OF THE TEST, HE OR SHE DID OR DID
NOT DEMONSTRATE THE CLAIMED ABILITY OR
POWER.
PETE COMMENTS: SINCE THE ENTIRE TEST WILL TAKE PLACE
ON THE INTERNET -(PREDICTIONS BEING POSTED AND RESULTS
SHOWN) THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE GOOD OR
BAD RESULTS - THEY WILL BE OBVIOUS TO ALL CONCERNED.
Please accompany this notarized form with a brief 2
paragraph
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
description of what will constitute the demonstration.
PETE COMMENTS: NO NEED, IT IS ALL EXPLAINED ABOVE - DETAILS
WILL BE WORKED OUT ON THE PUBLIC INTERNET AND MY LAWYER WILL
BE IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE OPENED ESCROW CONCERN TO
MEMORALIZE THE EXACT DETAILS. THE FINAL ESCROW AGREEMENT
WILL BE POSTED ON THE INTERNET FOR ALL TO SEE AND JUDGE AS
TO THE FAIRNESS OF THE DETAILS OF THE CONTEST.
NOTE: No special rules, exceptions, conditions, standards,
or
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
favors
will be accepted, without mutual agreement of those
concerned in advance and any applicant who refuses to agree to
meet the rules as outlined here, will not be considered to have ever
been a claimant. Only complete agreement with these rules will
constitute the applicant being considered a "claimant." Applicant, by
signing, notarizing and returning this form, signifies agreement with
all
Post by Dr. Jai Maharaj
of
the
above rules.
(signed) James Randi
Pete comments: WHICH MEANS randi WILL NEVER AGREE TO AN OPEN
AND HONEST CONTEST. HE ISN'T ABOUT TO PUT THE ONE MILLION
(IF IT EXISTS) AT RICK IN AN OPEN AND HONEST CONTEST.
AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT AS A PREDICTION FROM PETE STAPLETON - THE
PROFESSIONAL ASTROLOGER THAT ACCEPTS randi's ONE MILLION DOLLAR
CHALLENGE AS SHOWN ABOVE. THE PREDCITION AGAIN - RANDI WILL
NEVER ACCEPT AND HONEST TEST OF HIS ONE MILLION DOLLAR HUSTLE.
Regards, Pete
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End of forwarded message
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
Om Shanti
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